Disabled Man Commits Italy’s First Legal Assisted Suicide

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2022-06-23 20:20:50

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  1. Hospice nurse here…. Happy to discuss medical aid in dying of folks here have any questions about it.

  2. I have had to put down a couple of dogs there where very close to me. And have wondered why I could not be put down in a similar manner for any reason I choose?

    What is the ethical issues people have with this and why should they be the ones to stop me from doing so?

  3. it should be noted that just recently another italian man in horrible conditions was denied-and-delayed assisted suicide and had to opt for no-more-nutrition-and-hydration + deep sedation to die

  4. From the article:

    “What to make of this? Note that the patient who killed himself was not terminally ill, but paralyzed — illustrating the fact that assisted suicide isn’t about terminal illness. Rather, it is a philosophy that sees death as a proper and empowering response to suffering caused by serious disease, disability, mental illness, and the morbidities of old age.

    This is why disability-rights organizations are so adamantly opposed to legalization. They see themselves — correctly in my view — as the primary targets of the movement. And indeed, we see in places such as Canada, people with disabilities choosing to be euthanized because they are denied the kind of services that would help them want to live.”

  5. I’ve never seriously considered suicide but for some reason the thought of this being accessible is comforting.

  6. As things get worse, more of us who are disabled will chose this path as it’s the only way we can die with dignity, as supports do not keep up anywhere with the actual costs of living. Tie that in with a growing sentiment that we are nothing but leeches and that tax dollars should not go to support us, it’s rather dire.

    Imagine what is going to happen in 10-15 years when world wide systems are overloaded with “survivors” of Covid and the damage that has been wrought on their systems.

  7. I used to have a firm stance we shouldn’t allow assisted suicide. It felt wrong on an inherent level but now I have a different perspective.

    None of us asked to be put here on this Earth and many people suffer in unimaginable ways that the majority of us cannot comprehend. It seems natural that it should be a right that you can choose for yourself how and when your life will end.

  8. I don’t care what anyone says. If an innocent person decides that they don’t want to live their life any more, and they haven’t done anything that would warrant forcing them to continue living it, then you are subjecting that person to slavery and false imprisonment. You don’t have to live through that person’s suffering, so your morals and religion should have absolutely no bearing on it, as long as you’re not the one being asked to provide the means of death or provide assistance.

    Suicide prevention may be “soft brutality”, which can be presented as benevolence to those of a certain religious/philosophical perspective, but it is brutality nonetheless.

    It’s amazing how people have such little empathy that they cannot imagine what it’s like to be trapped in a life which is intolerable to the person living it, and have to stare down the barrel of several more decades with no way out. If people can’t mind their own business on a simple matter like this (something so basic as it doesn’t directly affect you, so don’t try and interfere), it’s a wonder that we’re not all at a perpetual state of war with one another. But no wonder humanity never manages to find a stable state of peace, when everyone always has to be getting involved into other people’s business where it doesn’t concern them.

    I don’t believe that the objections from ‘disabled rights’ groups hold any weight either. Firstly, everyone should have the right, not just people with recognised medical conditions. Secondly, why are we locking innocent people in a cage (so to speak, as they are trapped in an unasked for life) because criminals exist? We should go after the criminals, not deny everyone’s bodily autonomy in case some bad actors exploit it (and there are evil people who will exploit every freedom that we have – is that an argument for having no freedom?).

  9. “And indeed, we see in places such as Canada, people with disabilities choosing to be euthanized because they are denied the kind of services that would help them want to live.”

    Really rich for this writer in a conservative publication to argue against assisted suicide as a way to successfully deny people disability services, when it’s the right that would absolutely balk at any semblance of expanding social welfare.

  10. Yeah, well I have seen people wither away from alzheimers and ALS. There are things worse then death.

  11. Good for him. It must have been a great relief to be free of his body and mind. Life can feel like endless hell when you have a Disability. I am suffering from incurable Depression and I would sign up for assisted suicide. I’m sick of feeling unhappy for decades. Right now I am surviving by doing Ketamine Treatments with a Doctor. Amazing Drug.

  12. Glad he is free. Glad he had the choice.

    Watching my father gasp for air as he lay dieing from lung rejection all because of make belive religions.

  13. what a bizarre article.

    >This is a terrible dereliction, even a failure of love. When we say thatwe will strive to save some from suicide — but not others — we aremaking a fundamental claim that the latter categories of people are notas important or valuable.

    written by someone who has absolutely no experience of chronic illness or suffering.

  14. Why does no one talk about how disabled people are treated so poorly that they would rather die.
    You would rather see a person end his own life as some act of “empowerment” than see these same people being actually taken care of.

  15. Yet here in MURIKA big pharma won’t let that happen. What let people die when they are sick… no no chemo treatments and other meds make us money. Let them suffer so my pockets can be fat. I hate this shitty ass backwards country.

  16. Why help people live a good and happy life when you could help them kill themselves?

    I see this as just another way of brushing over the fact that the system has failed. Rather than revise it so everyone is as happy as possible, we’ll provide a means for those most abused by it to “check out.”

  17. I’ve written papers in favor of physician assisted death previously. I can only speak from a United States perspective, but the states that allow this have very good structures in place for ensuring that only certain people can accomplish this. Structures such as mental health evaluations to ensure you aren’t suffering from treatable depression, a requirement that you are suffering from a terminal illness, and requirements that if you don’t use the pill you are given within a certain amount of time you must return it (possibly for subsequent reissue after the process begins anew). One thing I hadn’t considered previously was permanently paralyzed individuals. While I disagree with the author’s general sentiment towards physician assisted death at large, I do respect the perspective as it pertains to disabled individuals. As with all things, it’s not black and white, but numerous shades of gray. A permanently paralyzed individual may be viewed differently from a lifelong soccer player who lost the use of her legs and is deeply depressed over it. Ultimately it’s a discussion for wiser people than me, but I hope “Mario” found some peace.

  18. I grew up with a friend that was paralyzed at a very young age in a car wreck. He was awarded a settlement to help him thru life but wasn’t expected to live a long life. His money ran out around the age of 21. Last I heard he was almost 30 and wanted an assisted suicide because he was broke depressed unemployed and undesired and had almost no friends after high school. But in America it’s not legal. Three friends and I tried to raise money when I heard of this but nobody helped. I feel bad for the guy. I really do. What kind of life is that to live? His mother has done nothing but take care of him and has no time for a life of her own. Everyone would be better off if he was just allowed to legally euthanize himself.

  19. My wife’s nana did this due to her diagnosis of Alzheimer’. As sad as we were to see her go, it was much easier on us to schedule the time we needed with her and be with her as she left. It was honestly beautiful in a way.

  20. This is such bs. Unless they can stand, sit or lay in the lives of these people they shouldn’t judge. I have a disability that is not terminal but is progressive and every single day I am in pain. Activities that people take for granted such as cleaning, washing clothes or cooking dinner are literally acts of endurance for me and I pay dearly for each one I have to do. I have to live with the knowledge that it’s only going to get worse. Vilification of those that want to go peacefully and on their own terms is just so entitled it’s mind boggling.

  21. Downvoted for complete erasure of personal bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy that poses no danger to others.

  22. That must be weird to think in a state like that being calm and thinking “I’m going to die today.” Scares the shit out of me

  23. Yeah, I remember a person seeking death because all the services and things they need to live life as someone with a disability made choosing death easy. It is eugenics with extra steps.